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ABS Upgrade 03

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Forgot to upload the photo of classic ABS came off from this NSX.

It was already dead with suspected all four solenoids stuck closed.

No ABS at all and just locks up all four wheels yet no ABS warning lights
because there is no feedback from the solenoids and thus,
the controller can’t detect this failure mode.









After fighting against many extra wires obstructing my task,
finally managed to take the old ABS controller out.









Normally, I don’t need to remove this controller box holder
behind the glove box but after removing the ABS controller and
started tidying up so many extra wires,
it became clear that it was best to remove the bracket.











It’s going to take a while before I can start the ABS upgrade loom installation.










While in there, I asked the owner if I can take a look inside
his Cruise Control Unit after the service.

My NSX is JDM so the cruise control will max out at about 72mph.

I can easily add VSS signal divider at the entrance of
controller input port but would like to see whether
Honda designed the circuit board with simple method in
selecting the different country spec or not.

The owner was told in the past that he could no longer use his
cruise control feature because of the aftermarket full ECU.

While it will require extra work for DBW model,
for non-DBW model,
the only signal required from the aftermarket ECU to
the Auto Cruise controller is the NEP (Engine rpm) signal.

If the rpm gauge in the dash is working fine,
then the aftermarket ECU is already sourcing the
required signal so should be able to make it working.

May be something to be done when I return the controller to
the owner in the future.







The ABS Upgrade loom from KSP Engineering with
SCS terminal modification by me.

The small black connectors near the centre of this photo
help a lot when passing the cable through the firewall grommet.

The upgraded ABS requires specific procedure
(IG SW + Brake Pedal + ABS warning light + timer)
in order to clear the error code and removing the fuse or
disconnecting the battery won't clear it.









The two orange connectors inside the cabin that
used to be plugged into the ABS controller will be
connected to these two white connectors.

Using crimp terminal at these
two white connectors is very important.

Unless you can securely fix the cable to something,
you must never use soldering for
fixing the wire to the terminal.

Lots of people are making this mistake.

I know another company is selling ABS upgrade loom
in Japan and as far as I know,
one major NSX vendor in US is sourcing their
ABS upgrade loom from this Japanese company.

That loom is using soldering at the white connector to
attach the wire to the terminal with heatshrink tube on top.

Unfortunately, if the connector and the wires are not
securely fixed to the chassis,
sooner or later,
the solder will crack and cause issues.

I have already seen several owners using this loom with
solder crack issue and helped some of them by
replacing the loom with the crimp type terminal used.




My efficiency started to drop after continuously repeating
the same task of tidying up the wires inside the cabin so
I think I will start installing the brake pipes now to
change the mood.


More to follow later.

Kaz


Updated 25-01-2013 at 01:28 PM by Kaz-kzukNA1

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  1. paulc's Avatar
    Kaz this sounds like my ABS, can they be serviced and freed off??

    It was already dead with suspected all four solenoids stuck closed.

    No ABS at all and just locks up all four wheels yet no ABS warning lights
    because there is no feedback from the solenoids and thus,
    the controller can’t detect this failure mode.
  2. Kaz-kzukNA1's Avatar
    Hi, paulc.

    Unlike the widely known leaky solenoid issue, for the stuck closed one, you may need to try the following methods several times over several days.

    Try the easiest one first.
    I won’t go into the detail of each procedure or how to flush the ABS.

    Step 1: Standard solenoid flush
    Recover the old high pressure brake fluid using SST.
    Empty the ABS reservoir.
    Pour fresh brake fluid into the ABS reservoir.
    Manually activate the ABS pump for 30sec.
    Cool down the pump for more than 1min and activate the ABS pump for further 15sec.
    Activate each solenoids in short burst mode to see whether they are stuck closed or not.
    If it is operating fine, you should see the brake fluid shooting up inside the reservoir.
    If all four of them operated fine, then just carry out the standard flush to keep your solenoids healthy and you must exercise your ABS more frequently.
    Ignore Step 2 and you are done.


    Step 2: Back pressure method.
    If the solenoid is stuck closed, you will hear the ‘click’ but no brake fluid will be returned to the reservoir when you activate each solenoid.
    You need to activate the stuck closed solenoid in short burst mode while manually activating the ABS pump.
    The idea is to utilise the pressure wave of the ABS pump and the multiple activation of the solenoid to break the stuck closed port.
    Please note that you must keep eye on the ABS pump and never let it burn.
    If this didn’t work, go out for test driving session and exercise your ABS if it is safe to do so.
    Please remember that you won’t have any ABS so if it is not safe to do so, leave it to the professional.
    Repeat Step 2 several times over several days.

    If these methods didn’t work, you may need to consider replacing the solenoid with known good one, replace the entire ABS with used one or consider the ABS upgrade to the latest spec.

    Kaz


  3. paulc's Avatar
    Many thanks Kaz will have a go and see what happens.
  4. Kaz-kzukNA1's Avatar
    Good luck with the solenoid flush.
    For flushing the solenoid, following site has been referenced many times by others.

    http://www.danoland.com/nsxgarage/brakes/abs/abs.htm

    Some info are missing in the procedure but you will get the idea.

    The workshop manual and TSB will provide you with great information on understanding the reason behind.

    Kaz