Crickey this hasn't been off the market long

[markc]

The E30 now we are talking!

Nice old car but there's the thing, it's old and people are prepared to make allowances for that. At track days the standard E30 M3's are pretty slow. The engine sounds nasty as well, gruff and rattly... BUT it is a motorsport legend and people pay big money for them now.

Just when does a car make the jump from just another old model that can't cut it against the modern stuff to collectable modern classic? E30 M3's have made it, as have Audi quattro's (UR), Porsche 964/993, Ferrari 328 and a few others.

Judging by the age of those cars the NSX should be on the cusp but maybe the relative newness of the last cars is actually holding them back?

E46 image - true...I wanted something special, and the E46 just doesn't look it...

Personally I love the E46 M3. Properly quick, handy size, great soundtrack even has a few luxury's. I'll take a run out CS model (CSL steering rack and brakes) with a manual g'box in Imola Red

Cheers

Mark

[Ferris Bueller]

It has around 280-285 as standard

Seriously, someone needs to explain to me how at "280bhp" the NSX will sit behind a 355 on a balls out run, or an RS4 for that matter. And that's in a straight line.

In my experience none of the cars above will cover ground on real roads as fast an NSX. Nor will a Sagaris, or a 440bhp S/C 350Z, nor a 360 etc etc. IME you need something like an Exige S to shade it.

[simonprelude]

I absolutely loved the NSX and still do even as a non owner, the thing that worries me at the moment is the sliding scale of other marks and this makes me wonder how long the NSX values really can hang on.

I can appreciate this is now completely off topic but my I wouldn't put any money on the previous predictions I've made about future NSX values

Just look at F355 / 360 prices for instance.

[NoelWatson]

Seriously, someone needs to explain to me how at "280bhp" the NSX will sit behind a 355 on a balls out run, or an RS4 for that matter. And that's in a straight line.

355: I wonder if they really are 375bhp, especially the cat equipped ones. Furthermore, unlike the NSX, I wonder if they keep their power with age
That said, they get near 170 at VMax

http://www.vmax15000bhp.com/

RS4: They do 170 all day when in good health, but are prone to coking issues - the R8 only did 162 at VMax.

[markc]

Maybe I'm wrong, but the trend I see, over and over again...

Those who currently own an NSX, value their possession and put a price on it that reflects this pride.
OK, so usually a premium has a bias towards their category, or others that are near. eeerr.. uh.... why wouldn't you? and Too Right.

Those who do not actually currently own an NSX seem to go to lengths to rant about how over priced they are.

eerrr... well, then don't buy the damn car !?
There are plently of people out there that £40K relatively means F-All to. If they came on here to research a car they were about to buy, on a relative whim... well you ain't helping your mates out much.. whom btw £35K - £40K might mean the world to.

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If you didn't like DisneyLand, would you go there just to tell everyone how s h I tE ( or overpriced ) it is ?

No, you wouldn't would you... would be a pretty mean person to derive satisfaction from the upsetting the kids like that.

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I don't think you're wrong Rob. Prospective owners turn up here all the time and attempt to drag down prices for their own ends. Oddly, some of us actually join in and help beat ourselves up!

A strong owners club supports their chosen machine with help and advice for existing owners AND helps prospective owners select a car to fit their budget.

It may be that we need stronger specialist (maintenance) support before we can compete with the likes of other niche models. Perhaps Kaz's presence is the catalyst that will help the NSX find it's correct value in the UK and indeed help newbies find the cars appropriate to their budget

Cheers

Mark

[Ferris Bueller]

Yes, the Vanos thing's a pain, more so on the E36's apparently.

I have one of these. Fingers crossed!

[Ferris Bueller]

Personally I love the E46 M3. Properly quick, handy size, great soundtrack even has a few luxury's. I'll take a run out CS model (CSL steering rack and brakes) with a manual g'box in Imola Red

Cheers

Mark

I'll be having one in Blue
SMG puts me off the CSL.

[markc]

I'll be having one in Blue
SMG puts me off the CSL.

SMG, the fact that you HAVE to have it on the CSL, is exactly why I'd take the CS

The CSL is one of those cars that's crossed to modern collectable classic status very quickly. A CSL goes for about twice the price of a similar age/mileage normal M3.

Cheers

Mark

[Ferris Bueller]

355: I wonder if they really are 375bhp, especially the cat equipped ones. Furthermore, unlike the NSX, I wonder if they keep their power with age
That said, they get near 170 at VMax

http://www.vmax15000bhp.com/

RS4: They do 170 all day when in good health, but are prone to coking issues - the R8 only did 162 at VMax.

IMHO VMax is largely irrelevant.

[NoelWatson]

IMHO VMax is largely irrelevant.

I can't think of a better way of comparing straight line speed in a controlled conditions.