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    Are these actually legal? I read this on another forum


    Quote Originally Posted by DfT
    From the DfT:

    December 2006

    Aftermarket HID headlamps

    In the Department's view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon. If a customer wants to convert his vehicle to Xenon HID he must purchase completely new Xenon HID headlamps. The reason for this is that the existing lens and reflector are designed around a Halogen filament bulb, working to very precise tolerances. If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct, there will be glare in some places and not enough light in other places within the beam pattern.

    The following is the legal rationale:

    The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 regulate the situation in the UK.
    Under these Regulations, HID/Gas Discharge/Xenon headlamps are not mentioned and therefore they are not permitted according to the strict letter of the law.

    However new vehicles have HID headlamps. This is because they comply to European type approval Regulations. The UK cannot refuse to register a vehicle with a European type approval. These are to ECE Regulation 98 (for the HID headlamps which are tested on a rig in a laboratory) and ECE Regulation 48 (Lighting Installation on the vehicle).

    For the after market, a used vehicle cannot obtain type approval because it is only applicable for new vehicles. However we feel that saying "HID is banned in the after market" would not be reasonable. Instead we should make analogies with new vehicles. It would be reasonable to require HID in the after market to meet the same safety standards as on new vehicles. The same level of safety should apply.

    Therefore a HID headlamp unit sold in the after market should:

    1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component.

    2. when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place).

    3. Comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned.
    In practice this means:

    1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.

    2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.

    3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly like any other headlamp.

    Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal.

    In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above.


    If you require any further information regarding the regulations covered by this fact sheet, please contact the DfT at the address below:

    Transport Technology and Standards 6
    Department for Transport
    Zone 2/04
    Great Minster House
    76 Marsham Street Telephone: 020 7944 2078
    London Fax: 020 7944 2196
    SW1P 4DR Email: TTS.enquiries@dft.gsi.gov.uk
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    Hi rob,

    I think that this has been covered before with the conclusion that Dan's kits are legal and fully stamped up to confiorm with what they need to.

    Luke
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lankstarr
    Hi rob,

    I think that this has been covered before with the conclusion that Dan's kits are legal and fully stamped up to confiorm with what they need to.

    Luke
    Yup re-post and concluded else where!
    From my mentor: 'Remember, with great power, comes great responsibility' K.Cooke 2007

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    I'm not convinced that they are legal.

    Just because the seller says that they are and that he has some stamps, doesn't mean that they are.

    Read again what the DfT say "In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above".

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    Why not check with your MOT centre manager prior to buying? If he's happy then job's a good'n!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattS
    I'm not convinced that they are legal.

    Just because the seller says that they are and that he has some stamps, doesn't mean that they are.

    Read again what the DfT say "In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above".
    Does this really warrant so much discussion, I would think there is 1,000,000 more times the chance of getting done speeding in our cars than being pulled over by the police and having our headlights unbolted and examined...can we just put this one to bed?!

    Cheers, MattSS
    From my mentor: 'Remember, with great power, comes great responsibility' K.Cooke 2007

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    Mine passed MoT yesterday with both HID conversion and flying colours...

    G
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