2017 Formula 1

[britlude]

that's all very well, but once they have decided that they are 0.3s average deficit, what then?

from the whispers, it's not like Mclaren haven't been trying to have some input with the engine manufacture side of things, but Honda do like to do everything in house, with their people!

what will the FIA actually be able to do? ask honda to try harder? extra testing time?

granted, that's worked well in various other race series around the world, but f1 is an overly complicated area!


and how close are mclaren to power unit grid penalties already??

[goldnsx]

I understand it as a desperate attempt to avoid an engine maker quitting F1 as there's no substitute in sight. Complexity, costs and fear of failing are too big.

MCL will be faced with grid penalties in two or three races.

[NSX 2000]

I understand it as a desperate attempt to avoid an engine maker quitting F1 as there's no substitute in sight. Complexity, costs and fear of failing are too big.

MCL will be faced with grid penalties in two or three races.

There is talk that Honda won't face any penalties, in a bid to help them out.

Plus F1 does not want to lose Alonso. Why I don't know, as I think both he and Briatore are the second biggest cheats after Bernie!

[WhyOne?]

There is talk that Honda won't face any penalties, in a bid to help them out.

Plus F1 does not want to lose Alonso. Why I don't know, as I think both he and Briatore are the second biggest cheats after Bernie!

It's a rubbish solution.

I respect Honda for entering F1 with their own people and resources....for Mercedes to be told to give them a hand (as apparently they did Renault last year) isn't fair on Mercedes, who have clearly done a much better job than the other engine manufacturers, and will be an anathema for Honda. Any success they may subsequently achieve will be tainted.

As for Fred, he is IMHO the most tenacious and talented driver currently in F1 and would be a great loss to the sport.

[Pride]

As for Fred, he is IMHO the most tenacious and talented driver currently in F1 and would be a great loss to the sport.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rena...sh_controversy

http://en.espn.co.uk/f1/motorsport/story/14272.html

I just call it karma, Ferrari: failed, Maclaren: failed and now soon to follow, Indy 500: failed.

Next stop retirement.👍

[goldnsx]

Well, the contrast couldn't be bigger. The German car makers, esp. Mercedes are prone for their 'banana cyclus' in consumer cars production while Honda is said to be testing everything before the buyers get their cars. There have been some exceptions from that rule in the recent years though. In F1 now, it's the other way round. That's why Mercedes is (I hope in the future 'was') so dominant in the last seasons. Something that Honda has to understand, we're not in the 80ies/90ies anymore.

It's a lost year or positively interpreting another 'learing year' for Honda. Except from solving problems we don't see any progress. If they don't face grid penalties, why not. They don't get at the top this year. But the teams in the middle will have to be compensated with $$$$ for loosing points and money if they are merciful to Honda this year. Manor was out last year, Sauber was very hard on the edge in the last years...The grid is built for 22 cars, there are two missing.

I hope that Honda won't end like Toyota...

[WhyOne?]

Where in these links (or any others out there) is Fred implicated in the Singapore fiasco?

The official investigation took documentary evidence and radio transcripts from Renault and Briatore and Symond's were both found to be complicit. Nothing was found to suggest Fred knew what was going on...indeed quite to the contrary.

In a recent interview, Pat Symond's was quite open about both his and Flavio's roles, but said it was something they had cooked up between themselves in response to pressure being brought to bear by Renault management who where threatening to pull the plug on the F1 program unless results took a marked upturn.

[lotusolly]

I fully agree, there is a drivers and a constructors title in F1. Why should Honda be given assistance when they have failed as part constructors to produce a wining engine?
Hopefully Honda will manage to find a resolution and if they do then a faster car starting from the back of the grid due to penalties, can only make for some better racing from a spectators point of view.
I would imagine that Honda are contractually tied to remain competing for at least another couple of years?

Olly

[britlude]

fro the f1 strategy group...

A number of other tweaks were made to the rules at the meetings of the strategy group of leading teams and bosses and the FIA F1 Commission.These included:

• Drivers' names and numbers will be made clearer on all cars from the Spanish Grand Prix on 12-14 May
• Teams currently not on the strategy group - which has until now been restricted to Ferrari, Mercedes, Red Bull, Williams, McLaren and Force India - will be invited
• Controversial shark fins and so-called T-wings that have appeared on cars this season will be banned from 2018
• Next year, any race that is stopped with a red-flag period will be resumed from a standing start
• Measures will be taken to ensure that oil will not be used as fuel in 2018

things might change now they have noticed some teams using oil as fuel.....

you can only burn so much petrol, so let a bit of oil into the combustion chamber and burn that.... makes you wonder what the octane of the oil is!!!!

oh , and now they have decided the 'halo' is ugly (go figure!!!!) and are pursuing a clear screen option... obviously being f1, we can't call it a 'screen', it's got to be called a 'shield'

[WhyOne?]

Yes, the burning of oil was/is a cunning ruse.

Mercedes appear to have this off to a fine art and goes some way to explained how they were able to increase the engines performance, particularly in Q3.

Where does inginuity end and cheating begin?!