Latest pictures on new NSX

[NSX 2000]

However, I still can't forgive it those wheels.
Just curious. Do we think there will be a new separate NSX club for these cars or just another category?


Cheers,

With regards the wheels as Nick has said they are part made of CF if you look at the close up photos of the wheels you can see the CF.

With regards the site I would like to see another category added. (Plus I think they are going to keep the NSX name as well.)

[WhyOne?]

With regards the wheels as Nick has said they are part made of CF if you look at the close up photos of the wheels you can see the CF.

That is no excuse for looking, to this pair of eyes at least, quite ridiculous!

[gumball]

Wheels are ugly, nose and rump too generic, interior stitching is nice though....

Will reserve judgement until I see it in the flesh.

I found the stitching to be generic. :p

[Lowndes]

I think you've failed to spot the pachyderm; the whole point of the new car is the e-SH-AWD system, which uses electric motors to re-direct torque as required across the front axle & a Li-ion battery in the centre console. Think of an Acura RLX in reverse. Nothing so crass as that old Porsche system.

The problem is according to rumours, on twisty circuits, the battery goes flat. So they're now trying to squeeze in a turbo-compound generator as well. Hence the wheels & everything have to be carbon fibre, so it doesn't end up weighing like a meteorite.

BTW, the interior is apparently only one of two proposals - maybe another at Geneva?

Quite possibly; though I did appreciate that the SH-AWD featured torque redistribution using electric motors. What was not clear was whether this alone would deliver "on rails" handling, particularly if the yaw about the vertical axis is being created by differing torque distribution to the front wheels which are also dealing with slip angles created by steering inputs. At least the crass old Porsche system was applied to the non steering wheels, more or less instantaneously via prefilled brake lines, and was achieved without any additional weight penalty.

[Nick Graves]

Well, Honda favours centre-point steering geometry (until someone fits wheels with the wrong offset) and they've had plenty of experience with ATTS (which formed the basis of the mechanical SH-AWD) across the front axle of some Preludes.

It's also an enhancement of the VSA that everyone uses. The big problem with SH-AWD was people tend to panic & to lift off, instead of over-driving the b ugger & letting the FREDs turn the car - it cannot without engine torque.

The advantage is, the re-gen from the inner wheel can overdrive the outer wheel (mechanically in the 'Lude) so it has more control than VSA/E-diff brakey solutions, which so many keen drivers bemoan.

That's the theory anyway; I remain to be convinced that it will be as involving to drive as the old-fashioned one.

[Problem Child]

I found the stitching to be generic. :p

I thought the wheels had melted or been photoshopped to look that bad!

[Lowndes]

Well, Honda favours centre-point steering geometry (until someone fits wheels with the wrong offset) and they've had plenty of experience with ATTS (which formed the basis of the mechanical SH-AWD) across the front axle of some Preludes.

It's also an enhancement of the VSA that everyone uses. The big problem with SH-AWD was people tend to panic & to lift off, instead of over-driving the b ugger & letting the FREDs turn the car - it cannot without engine torque.

The advantage is, the re-gen from the inner wheel can overdrive the outer wheel (mechanically in the 'Lude) so it has more control than VSA/E-diff brakey solutions, which so many keen drivers bemoan.

That's the theory anyway; I remain to be convinced that it will be as involving to drive as the old-fashioned one.

Sorry, lost in the alphabet soup here, but never mind. More disappointing is that Honda seem to be heading down the electotrickery route exemplified by, inter alia, the Nissan GTR. That would mean it was of little or no interest to me.

Price point is also an issue. Without any evidence to support it, my contention would be that to occupy price territory like for like with the 1990’s NSX the new car should be £150k. I may be wrong but that doesn’t seem to be where Honda are heading.

[Nick Graves]

For the sake of clarity

ATTS =Active Torque Transfer System; a kind of overdrive LSD

SH-AWD = Super Handling All wheel Drive; the above only all four wheels.

VSA = Vehicle Stability Assist (or ESP in Bosch)

E-Diff = using a brake instead of a proper, mechanical LSD.

I agree that all these FREDs are TFM and I prefer a car I can make my own mistakes in.

The car may well be north of £150K by the time it gets here. It seems to be some sort of Ferrari track monster & not a super-911/Evora/GT-R type thing.

[Lowndes]

Thanks for the glossary of acronyms, presumably someone gets paid on piecework to produce this stuff.

As for the market position of the car, a track monster is not any more attractive to me than an electronic technofest. I think I would be looking for a cross between a 911turbo and a MP4 12C.

[NSX 2000]

Going back to the wheel thing, what do you think about these wheels?

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