Probably the most I have ever seen on Pistonheads at the moment.
10 early cars, 2 more NA1, a couple of NA2 Japan-only exotics, a couple of late autos, and 5 02+ NA2.
Oh, and 9 NC1.
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Probably the most I have ever seen on Pistonheads at the moment.
10 early cars, 2 more NA1, a couple of NA2 Japan-only exotics, a couple of late autos, and 5 02+ NA2.
Oh, and 9 NC1.
People are growing more nervous about Brexit and what that'll mean for the economy - if we have another crash then 'everyday classics / exotica' (i.e. stuff that doesn't usually sell across borders) will drop in value (is the theory).
The Brexit thing is certainly a pain. Especially as it's so mediaized! I've stopped listening to R4 because all they do is perpetuate the fear about Brexit. Hourly!
Personally, I'm not seeing any great changes, apart from expensive European holidays.
I think the NSX market would be more cohesive if the pricing made any sense. It's a car crash! How are future owners supposed to know what to pay when theres a £20-30K spread between similar aged cars.
We'll see.
I'm pretty much there myself - R4 used to be my calm background on the way to work, now it just raises my bloodpressure...mainly the various politicians (of all flavours) who appear to completely ignore inconvenient things like facts and other people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papalazarou
NSX pricing - I think what you've got is some chancers (mainly traders) trying to push the prices up to chase the Italian/UK/German semi-exotica, and some others (mainly owners) perhaps not realising what value they might now be sitting on...
...so what's probably happening is an owner under-selling him/herself...to a trader...who then adds £10k or more to the sticker price!
Fewer than a couple of months ago though - the maximum number I saw listed was 39 of which a third were NC1. With winter here you would expect the numbers to drop and there are less new models than previously. Most of the NA1 and NA2 were autos for some reason - no idea why. Also more imports than used to be the case. List prices ie NOT the sale price which is obviously unknown, seem to be reasonably steady normalising for age, mileage, model etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by NZNick
There’s been a silver F matic facelift for sale recently through different outlets. It’s just gone up on Ebay with no reserve, this should give a perfect idea of true value if it goes the distance.
When I was looking for a car to import from Japan this year, the majority for sale were auto. I'd be interested to know what the split in manual/auto manufacture was. Certainly the lion share of cars imported into the U.K over the last 10 years have been automatic. Autos are cheaper and more readily available. So logically that's probably the reason for the preponderance of autos for sale on the UK market.
Certainly Martin's point about dealers makes sense. The most frustrating element is that dealers sell them as a commodity. For example; NSX for sale, it's worth this on paper. So it must be worth this much regardless of condition, colour, spec, gearbox etc etc....
The other element is what these cars actually make. The yoyoing ticket price of late manual cars that seem to sit there for long periods. Usually bought to flip. Often fail to realise their potential.
Then you've got the good early manual cars. But there's a pretty large disparity in price. Especially when you consider mileage. There's a couple of cars for sale with mid miles for around £70K. But for 10k more you can have an ultra low mileage car.
Whilst discussing dealers. I think there is a misconception that these cars can/will only sell through dealers. This is in my experience is completely untrue. In many ways, I believe that selling a car privately is a more accessible proposition.
Dealers are like estate agents. They generally have little idea of what they are selling. Even the so called specialists.
The biggest objection to private sale. Is 'at this money, people will need credit.' Again. Never experienced this.
The craziest thing I'd say is that these days, no-one seems to want a conversation. I've sold six cars in the last four years and if I'd let them, none of the people interested would have spoken to me. They just emailed with the usual unrealistic cryptic questions, made me an offer and bought the car.
Anyway, my apologies, I've somewhat gone off on a bit of a tangent.
I don't have the breakdown for 1990-1992, but I do have the following figures for Japanese domestic market cars:
1993: automatic 267, manual 115, Type R 146
1994: automatic 84, manual 110, Type R 106
1995: automatic 36, manual 58, Type R 157, Type T auto 62, Type T manual 18
1996: automatic 33, manual 56, Type R 54, Type T auto 20, Type T manual 13
97-05 automatic 176 (23% of total), of which 55 are 02+.
1991 cars are by far the most numerous (3849), but I can't find a breakdown of auto vs manual.
This is an interesting car:
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifi...200008/7749898
Looks to be carrying it's miles very well indeed - look at that drivers seat!
Indeed! That's a car where additional miles won't deter a new owner. But most people coming from other makes think very differently though....Quote:
Originally Posted by WhyOne?
Yes, that '02 at £50k is the bargain of the current bunch, I think. (Although I prefer by far the pre-facelift design.)
My old green targa P111NSX has reappeared at Plans with a £10k hike. As usual, and as mentioned above, if you exclude autos (and then perhaps imported cars and anything previously crashed) the number of NSXs falls significantly. Then take out the neglected cars, and it's now a very small number.
Im really surprised it hasn’t gone yet. A facelift for 50k possibly less. The stigma of higher mileage is preventing someone from a really good purchase. Yeah they might not make money on it but if your gonna keep it then it’s a steal. People forget these cars were designed by engineers not today’s accountants.Quote:
Originally Posted by goldnsx
I went to view it at Plans last year before it was sold. I always wanted one in Charlotte Green. For me it’s a shame they dropped the colour.Quote:
Originally Posted by goldtop
I THINK that's one of Mike's cars...Quote:
Originally Posted by WhyOne?
I know Mike (the one I bought my '93 silver coupe) had a red facelift, and isn't fussed about buying good cars with lots of miles, but I thought he bought it more recently than 10 years ago?
Or is there another Mike with a red facelift NSX? :)
There is a bit of recycling going on too ie speculators trying to make a fast buck. The car is listed, disappears, then reappears somewhere else with a higher price (or lower) a short time later. Case in point is the low mileage silver NA2 "pop-up" Y282LHC. Originally listed at £140,000 (!), then £125,000, then £75,000 and now (Autotrader) at £90,000 all within the past 6 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by goldtop
You are right though - there are only a very few really good ones out there.
You might be right - I was basing it off (a) there being very few red facelifts; and (b) knowing Mike had a London pad and a weekend location.Quote:
Originally Posted by goldtop
It sold for £49,100 is that a bargain? 48,000 mile facelift car, are f matics really not that popular?Quote:
Originally Posted by dcnsx
It would appear not! Went for pretty much what it was advertised for 2 years ago.
There is an identical one on autotrader or ebay going for £68K or there about...I thought it was the same car....silver , facelift, F-matic etc...but appears not!
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I think it’s the same car. Someone made a great saving there on Ebay