Neil,Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawnsx5
this is the link to the page on the S2000 Club site https://s2kuk.com/s2kuk-forum.php - you will see the text I copied and within that the mentioned link.
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Neil,Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawnsx5
this is the link to the page on the S2000 Club site https://s2kuk.com/s2kuk-forum.php - you will see the text I copied and within that the mentioned link.
Agreed. Knowing this. My confusion is; Now, why are we even discussing something we did not ask for and do not want?Quote:
Originally Posted by britlude
Found this old thread from 10 years ago
http://www.nsxcb.co.uk/showthread.ph...-be-Poll/page3
So a bit of context to the history of this subject.
Very interesting to see so many of us are still here and still have an NSX.
Ahhh I remember those days ! This goes back to the days where the events (Silverstone Classic as it was) and the discussion for PLI requirement, which if I remember correctly is why it all started in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by NSX 2000
As this has morphed a bit due to the discussions on the future of the forum hosting/ taking over of the Admin positions to run the forum etc. ( or have we spun off on another tangent?)
Cheers
Jim
At the end of the day..we all want the NSXCB forum to be open access for everyone like it is.. and the Club was to help attend events and to a bonus to be in a formal car club (may help with valuation/insurances etc). The 2 are not mutually exclusive.
We want to attract new members, we want it to be affordable and optional if you want to pay for additional privileges etc.
The Club is an extension from the Forum with the same veteran members from the Forum in both Forum and Club. The Forum has different members as Admin and the Club now has different members on the board from when it was started.
The later indifference in opinion has lead to the separation as us and them.... !!
The Forum needs funds to maintain and progress with updates. We all want it to be user-friendly like many modern Forum sites. The cost of this needs to be met with a non-profit way and be transparent for all members to see...this is for the Club also!
The Club has now been successful with current board to increase membership by 5 folds ...this should easily help to fund the forum and increase traffic...again what's not to like?
There should not be any personal differences impacting on function of both.... and unilateral decisions are unhelpful and should be a consensus model.
I will stop here as a contributor to both...Just my 2P worth as usual.
As Forumadmin said...enjoy the rest of summer and hopefully a solution will be found in a simplistic manner.
SS
Well said, Silver Surfer :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Surfer
In case someone joins the discussion half way through without visiting the 1st post, please note that this thread is not just about the feedback on the recent proposal from Shawnsx5 (Neil) who is representing THNOC.
Apart from forum software upgrade is needed, nothing decided and hence the very reason for starting this thread.
I’ll chime in from time to time to remind the purpose of this thread.
As per another thread linked at the beginning of post #1, the discussion started mainly because of the frequent server crash due to frequent visits from AI bots, use of aged platform with several difficulties (photo must be manually compressed and re-sized if uploading directly, etc), security concern (though, it’s public forum so anyone can register and the door is unlocked until certain level), etc.
Despite all these, when you look at the amount of Platinum contribution (rolling 12 months so hard to tell but ‘probably’ something like £150 – 200/year) VS the running cost (I ‘believe’ it’s about £500/year), clearly not cost effective.
Fortunately, we still have fair amount of fund (will ask one of the administrator to chime in as I never got involved on the financial side of this Forum) that I ‘think’ we have at least more than 12 months on deciding the next platform/direction.
Hence, this thread was started.
As part of post #1, there was recommendation from forumadmin (Kevin) who was part of the original creator of this Forum.
In there, there was a suggestion to change the name of the Forum.
And another voice to change the name was included in the proposal from THNOC.
Regardless of people replying back to Kevin’s proposal or THNOC one, we can see lots of feedback on this.
Each is considered as just one voice.
Same goes to me.
While I support Kevin’s wish, my view is to keep ‘nsxcb’ name as is.
Just another voice.
Nothing more nothing less.
Few months ago, I looked into several options for the platform including the guidance price but I didn’t contact the vendor and thus, the cost info was not accurate enough but good starting point.
I used it when talking to Honcho at NSX Prime who went through the same software upgrade/change of platform process recently.
I’ll just cut and paste my old info of example options later.
So far, followings are what I can see on here.
I’ll link them into #1 post for ease of future reference.
And update them from time to time.
While there are over 50 posts so far, they are from only 17 members.
13 x Platinum member
4 x non-Platinum member
While there was a request from Neil to hold the reply specific to his proposal, this number is something I see it controllable.
Far easier and nothing like the time taken for listening to the opinion of 100+ engineers in the team.
Regarding the name of the nsxcb Forum.
There was one recommendation to change it and not a post in this thread.
It was from Kevin at the time of handing the key of the Forum to us.
Another vote for change was included in the post from Shawnsx5 (Neil) as part of proposal from THNOC.
If I’m not mistaken, so far, majority of voices are to keep it as is, nsxcb.
Please correct me if I’m wrong.
I can see members wish to prevent the confusion between the nsxcb (I normally refer to this as ‘the Forum’) and THNOC (I refer to this as ‘the Club’).
And some connection between the two.
As the title states as ‘Future of the Forum’, I believe that lead to the proposal from Neil – THNOC.
This subject was not necessarily my main point of starting this thread, I’ll keep this discussion going.
Or, if I see it appropriate, I ‘may’ consider moving to another thread.
For the clarification, we must decide on the future of the forum software in reasonable time.
And even after that, it doesn’t mean we must stick with the decision forever.
I think many platforms offer the trial period.
We can always review the new platform after some time and at some point, change again if the new one is not fit for purpose.
[Update: 29/AUG/24 11:57]
Apology for the multiple posts as I couldn't find better way to link specific contents into post #1.
Discussion on other subjects can go on in parallel.
For example,
upgrade the software,
see how many people wishing to contribute,
add safety margin for future cost,
divide total yearly amount by the head counts
and propose the Platinum contribution amount per member.
Regardless of the possible on-going discussion on the subject of nsxcb and THNOC, everyone can make one’s own decision on joining each party, make Platinum contribution and/or pay for THNOC membership fee.
THNOC is required for PLI, etc but members must follow the constitution.
NSXCB is not recognised as public organisation so without PLI but can freely express one's opinion including negative view on Honda or even NSX as there is no constitution.
If THNOC regards the contents of the Forum in a good way described within this thread, more than welcome for making Platinum contribution if want to.
I'll stop here as currently, having higher priority matter back in Japan and other countries.
Kaz
Example of Forum software options and cost comparison.
Please note that I have never involved in the financial side of the forum that followings are just my estimate.
Also, the price tag below are reference only as I looked at them several months ago.
Haven’t even spoken with vBulletin or other vendors about the additional software modules cost, etc.
It is just to provide some idea on what’s available out there.
For the clarification, these are just my personal understanding and no way recommending any selection at this stage.
Current: £600+ /year (price went up after Kevin’s info.)
Virtual server with vBulletin v4
Does not meet the level of income.
Difficult to upload media, outdated, etc.
Had to be re-booted many times even within the last few weeks.
vBulletin 6 Self-hosting: £110 (one off new license) + server running cost
Latest platform, lots of control.
Won’t save anything if we keep using the same server service as above (£600+ /year).
Addons at extra and possibly some of the update modules as well.
Group of people must spare their time for house-keeping (upgrade, patch, etc) of the site.
Can export to other platform in the future.
vBulletin Cloud: starts from around £150/year
Haven't investigated on what we can keep and what will be lost.
Limited control and customisation but possibly enough.
25GB bandwidth for the above starting price.
Should be enough for small community.
I ‘think’ 100GB storage space.
Addons at extra.
Hosting and upgrade done by the staff at vBulletin.
Can export to other platform in the future.
Seek different platform: like XenForo, Discourse, etc.
Prime went down this route.
All sorts of price tag and hosting options.
As a side note, NSX Prime decided NOT TO self-host their website.
Instead, they went the direction of Cloud hosting asking the staff at Xenforo to run and maintain their site.
They are on XenForo Standard plan that is $100/month.
This makes over £900/year.
And because they are already exceeding the traffic cap, they are likely to move up to the next tier level that would be much more expensive.
But they can afford it at this stage.
Any changes will never make everyone happy.
At this stage, don't know what will be kept and what will be lost.
Hence, my statement related to the possible loss of all of my blog posts.
I think photo album feature was lost at Prime when they changed the platform.
Will always be some complaints after the changes.
Still, best start discussion now while we have well over 12 months of time (possibly 24 months???) even without further Platinum contribution.
One option for the immediate saving would be;
Find something at the price tag of £300 – 400,
get 20 people with something like £20/year contribution,
then we can survive for quite some time based on the available funds currently in the pocket while reviewing further options in the longer term if required.
Again, just an example and not a recommendation.
Kaz
Blimey, I'd not realised the relationship with The Splitters was so acrimonious...
From what I recall of other migrations, it's a FPITA and a lot of stuff gets lost.
I'd therefore get the experts to do it, as I am conscious that it's someone's time and swearing to do it.
Perhaps start from the other end - what would members be prepared to pay per annum and how many of us could commit?
Does £25 seem acceptable? I am conscious of gov't money-printing/inflation - and our cars aren't £20K old bangers any more...
But send me a renewal reminder as I'm very easily side-tracked!
I saw this and immediately thought of NSXCB
https://www.autocar.co.uk/opinion/ne...pages-internet
http://www.nsxcb.co.uk/payments.php
Here you go Nick a thanks …
And this is exactly why I, like many Ive spoken too, would like to keep the forum and its history of information, not to mention its light hearted interactions and fun …
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Originally Posted by NSX 2000
While I have been a quiet member on here for many years and an Nsx owner since 1997 I have only just become a platinum member. Mainly because all my cars history with Kaz is on here and because there are several people who post on here who know their onions. My beef with facebook forums is that they are very often NOT knowledgeable and can be extremely opinionated. I am a watcher on several (covering my other cars) and conversations rarely get to the answer people are looking for. However I do give a nod to the z4 forum as it’s still very active (not least because z4s are still being built) and most of the posts are sensible. But so many of my old niche sites have gone to the wall as the vehicles they covered have gone or the people have died……. So we have to keep NSXCB
Is there any other way of paying subscription other than by PayPal? I haven't used PayPal for a while and now struggling to get it to work?? I think this is an excellent site and over many years have benefitted from members wisdom and input in resolving issues with my NSX and would love to see it keep functioning.
Hi Paul. It looks like you can pay a PayPal account from their website, with your preferred card.
I can send you the PayPal email address via PM if you like.
Hi, paulc.
As NSXGB mentioned, one of the feature of PayPal is the ability to checkout without having the PayPal account.
Discussed in the past somewhere.
Never tried the full procedure so if not successful, please report back.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0
After logged in, click on the ‘Platinum Contribution’ in the yellow banner at the top, select the preferred contribution amount and press [ Order ] button.
You will arrive at the above page.
Check the details and once happy, click on [ Order Using Paypal ].
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0
Now you’ll arrive here.
As pointed out in green, this option should be available.
Click on it.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0
Now you’ll arrive here.
Didn’t proceed any further so any issues, please report back.
Kaz
Hi Kaz, many thanks I will give it a go.
Hi Kaz, all paid
I can confirm receipt.